Name: wizard24 Date: November 19, 2007 at 11:51:52 Pacific Subject: Amd Athlon Xp 2400 + overcloaking OS: AmD Athlon 2400 XP, 1Gb D CPU/Ram: Amd Athlon XP 2400+,socke Model/Manufacturer: AMD Athlon
Comment:
Hello , i have an Amd Athllon 2400 Xp,motherboard Asus A7V600 X-series, 1 Gb Ram ddram 400 PC3200, GeForce 7600 GS,The Name of my cooler from de CPU i don't know, but the cooler from the CPU goes to 3000 RPM
Ok now i want to ask you people,how can i overclok my CPU whit this sistem!?!
The CPU is now working at 1500 Mhz,and i want him to to raise the power!! PS: if i want to make changes from the BIOS of my motherbord i need to change the speed of the CPU in the bIOS to manual and then the Bios,let's me to change the speed from the bios,
Before you start thinking about overclocking, you should at least get your CPU running at it's proper speed. The 2400+ is supposed to run at 2.0GHz (15 x 133MHz), not 1.5GHz (15 x 100MHz) so you'll need to increase the CPU frequency to 133MHz.
Next, the RAM frequency should run at the same speed as the CPU frequency. This is extremely important in the case of a socket A system. The CPU:DRAM ratio MUST be 1:1 for best performance...anything other than 1:1 & you'll take a performance hit. So regardless of the fact that you have PC3200 (aka DDR400), you should clock it down to match the CPU freq. With the CPU running at it's proper default speed of 15 x 133MHz, the RAM should be be run at 133MHz (DDR266).
I'll have a look at your manual & see what I can recommend for overclock settings.
ok thx Jam for the quick info, but ive did some changes to my CPU since the last post of mine!! And this is what i did: ive set my CPU speed to MANUAL, and ive lower the multiplier and rise the fsb to 11 x 200Mhz, and now the CPU speed is working at 2200Mhz,and until now hi diddent crash or hang! Is that ok what i did to my CPU??thx
Yes it's multiplied unlocked,if I set the CPU speed to manual,but i have a problem ive put the to the settings from above, and when i restart him the PC diden't load for windows!!!But for a moment there it work,but when i restart him ,he crashed!! I got a nother question for you jam, the RAM speed where i can modified the Speed for the RAM?!?!?thx again for the quick answer
Hopefully you're clear on the whole double-pumped CPU bus & double-data rate (DDR) memory? I prefer to deal with the base frequencies, that way there should be no confusion.
Your RAM settings are AUTO, 266, 333 or 400. Those are DDR numbers - the frequencies are 133MHz, 333MHz, 200MHz. Since you have PC3200 (DDR400), you can run it at any one of those freq's. If you're gonna run the CPU at 200MHz, choose either AUTO or 400 for the RAM.
As for your stability issue, try lowering the multi to 10x for now. (10 x 200) will perform better than (15 x 133) even though both settings run the CPU at 2.0GHz. To stabilize at (11 x 200), try increasing the CPU voltage a little. If the default is 1.65v, try 1.675v...if that still won't get you into Windows, try 1.70v. Keep going +0.025v at a time...if it doesn't stabilize by 1.80v, call it a day & back off the multi to 10x again. There's always 10.5x as an option.
Ok, now i have some problems!!:) I did what you told me to do in the post from above,i put the CPU at 11x200,after i put him at that speed, he load for windows, and it work't, after i reboot the PC,he dinde't load windows anymore,the computer works but i have no image on my monitor!and i can do nothing to him,just to shut down him,and tourn him ON again, and after that i enterd the BIOS,and put him at 10x200,again he did the same problem!!he loads the windows, after i save'd the changes from the BIOS,and when I restart him again he diden't wanna load for windows.! What's wrong whit him?!?!?any oppinios?pls PS:sorry about my english:)
Here's the settings you should try. I'm only addressing the settings necessary to overclock & give best performance.
Under ADVANCED MENU:
CPU Freq Multiple = 11.0x CPU Ext Freq = 200/33 Memory Freq = 400 CPU Vcore Setting = Manual CPU Vcore = 1.70v (adjust as necessary)
Under CHIP CONFIGURATION:
SDRAM Config = User Defined SDRAM CAS Latency = 2.5T SDRAM RAS to CAS = 3T SDRAM RAS Precharge = 3T SDRAM Active Precharge = 7T SDRAM 1T Command = Enabled (this setting is fastest, but may make your system unstable), if that happens, use AUTO SDRAM Bank Interleave = AUTO Graphics Aperture Size = 128MB AGP Compatibility Mode = AUTO
[The rest can be left at the default settings].
Under PCI CONFIGURATION:
Primary VGA BIOS = AGP VGA Card
[The rest can be left at the default settings].
Under BOOT:
Plug & Play OS = NO
[The rest of the settings in this menu are basically personal preference].
Thanks alot jam for all the help and the info's.Now i am at work and when i get home i will try the settings that you gave it to me from the post above!! I will be back hopefully whit good news!!:P thx again!
Ok, jam I did what you told me to do in the post above,it works,but not so good what I want to say,is that after I did the things what you told me to do, he load for windows,so far so good,after that I got from the web the program AIDA32,this program has a Sensor aplication where you can see the CPU temperature..and i saw that my CPU temperature after I did the modification is at 41-42 C-degress.Ok after that i gave the computer a restart,and after that, he dident whant to load the Windows!!But when I shutdown the computer and wait a few minutes and turn him on again,he load the windows program perfectly. Now the question is,all this problems that i have it may be from the cause of the temperature rising?? PS: my CPU FAN is an Arctic Couper Lite,that runs at 2300 RPM's and I have another Cooler in the Case of the PC that cools the case down,that cooler is an TITAN cooler that runs at 2000 RPM's What i forgot to say is when I enterded the BIOS in the HARDWARE MONITOR the temperature of the CPU is at 43-45 degrease Celsius!!So in conclusion my CPU is stable whit this settings,but not 100% porcent stable!!:D thanks again,and sorry about so many posts
I bump up the voltage to 1,80 and still nothing,so when i restart the computer i have,black screen on my monitor,and nothing,but the computer is still working but no windows , nothing!! so i appriciate all the info's that you gave to me Jam,but for a final, answer,what do you think that is the problem whit my sistem,and whit what do I need to "play" whit more to get my sistem to work properly!!??thx again!
How about trying a slower FSB, I could never get my 2400+ anywhere near 200MHz, try something like 12x166MHz. You might also want to bump up your RAM voltage to at least 2.7v.
Completely useless? I can always be used as a bad example.
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't.
adz929...I try the 12x166Mhz..but I don't understand my computer, when I did this settings to him,he load the windows works,perfectly evretting is ok,BUT WHEN I RESTART HIM,the PC is still working but he dosen't want to LOAD THE WINDOWS,my monitor is in STAND BY when the PC does this!!!I Don't understand where is the problem,
The only normal FSB that I found was at 15x130Mhz, and at that speed his working at 1800Mhz,if I try to rise up the FSB the computer is doing the same problem again that I told you!!!
What BIOS version are you using? You might want to reset the BIOS and use the default settings. The only thing you may have to change is the FSB from 100MHz to 133MHz. If you can't get it stable stock then you might have to start looking at your other components. Additionally, how many sticks of RAM are you using? You could try replacing the CMOS battery too.
Completely useless? I can always be used as a bad example.
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't.
"You might want to reset the BIOS and use the default settings"
That defeats the whole purpose.
"try something like 12x166MHz"
Running the CPU freq at 200MHz will provide better overall system performance than at 166MHz. All the following settings will run the CPU at 2.0GHz - 20 x 100, 15 x 133, 12 x 166, 10 x 200, but the last one (10 x 200) is the fastest.
I would keep the CPU freq at 200MHz & experiment with different multipliers, 10.0x, 10.5x, 11.0x. But it is possible that your power supply is what's holding you back. I've never heard of "Delux" before & 450W really means nothing. A decent quality 300W PSU is sufficient for a socket A system...the important thing is having adequate amperage on the +12v rail. You have the CPU, video card, 2 HDDs, 2 optical drives, cooling fans all pulling power from the +12v rail. You should have at least 16A on the +12v (18A would be better), plus the wattage & amperage must be steady...in other words, little or no fluctuation. I doubt your Delux is up to the task.
Ok my power supply brand is DELUX :Model ATX 400 Watt,P4. on the AC INPUT says:230V-50Hz 4A on the DC OUTPUT says: +5V -5V +12V -12V +3.3V +5VSB 30A 0,5A 16A 0.5A 30A 2A
The fact that his computer doesn't boot with his current settings defeats the purpose of even having a computer.
"Running the CPU freq at 200MHz will provide better overall system performance than at 166MHz. All the following settings will run the CPU at 2.0GHz - 20 x 100, 15 x 133, 12 x 166, 10 x 200, but the last one (10 x 200) is the fastest."
I didn't come down in the last shower jam, I am fully aware that the effective clockspeed will be the same, however, from personal experience, I was never able to successfully get my 2400+ to run with a 200MHz FSB, yet, it was perfectly happy to run at 166MHz.
Completely useless? I can always be used as a bad example.
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't.
"I was never able to successfully get my 2400+ to run with a 200MHz FSB, yet, it was perfectly happy to run at 166MHz"
You haven't listed any of the details about your board, RAM, PSU, BIOS settings, etc. Just because you weren't able to pull it off doesn't mean that someone else won't be able to do it. If you read about my overclocking experience with a 2500+ Sempron/KT600 board combo in response # 11, you'd see that I had a similar problem until I changed out my PSU. I've never heard of Delux brand PSUs, but I suspect it's weak generic crap. I also suspect the OP is from India where decent quality PSUs cost top dollar...I mean, Rupees...lol
Ok, I tested another think,but for the beggining, i whant to tell you guys something(maybe from there is the problem),my 1Gb DDRAM 400 are 3 different types of rams, 1.512 KINGAMAX DDRAM 400/PC 3200 2.256 SYNCRON DDRAM 400/PC 3200 3.256 M&S DDRAM 400/PC 3200 now I was thinking,maybe is from the RAM's because they are 3 diffrent brands,and maybe they don't work properlly!! But I try'd something,I pull out the SYNCRON and M&S rams, and lefted only the KINGMAX on the motherbord..but still he is doing the same crappy problems!!!!X-( Now Jam what do you recommend me to do?!?! Buy another PSU?and change the rams to have only KINGMAX on the motherbord???thank you,and I will wait for your respond!
I can't do if for you, I can only give the best advice I know. I highly doubt your RAM is the problem...at 200MHz, you're running it at the speed it's designed for & mixing brands *usually* isn't a problem. It certainly wouldn't hurt to test it by running memtest86 or memtest86+ though.
You have quite a load on what *may* be a weak power supply. Do you have a different video card that doesn't require the additional plug-in from the PSU? If so, I suggest you temporarily swap the cards. Also, temporarily disconnect the 2nd HDD. Doing both of those things will significantly lighten the load on the +12v rail. Then try the overclock settings again...if there are no problems, the PSU is most likely the problem.
Yes jam i have a videocard that needs an extra power supply,i don't have another wideo card to swap whit the other video card,but I can, disable the sechond DVD-Rwiter, and the coolers,and the 2nd HDD,and hoppefuly It will work,if does work and it's the PSU stop's me to do this overcloaking,I will buy another and good PSU!! thank you again for all the answer that you give it to me!!much appriciate!! I will be back whit the answer if it work's!
"You haven't listed any of the details about your board, RAM, PSU, BIOS settings, etc. Just because you weren't able to pull it off doesn't mean that someone else won't be able to do it."
Look back five or so years in this forum, they are listed there LOL
It was a mute point anyway because soon after I bought the 2500+ and clocked it up to 2.2GHz (200MHz FSB) no worries. I'm still using this machine today, although its not my main machine.
The reason I asked about the RAM was because it clearly states in the A7V600 manual that you can only run DDR400 with two DIMMs, three DIMMs limits you to a max RAM speed of 166MHz(DDR333).
I'll have to admit that I didn't read thru the entire manual...I only looked at the BIOS section to see what setting options were available. If what you say it true, it does throw a bit of a wrench into the works (why didn't you say so earlier? lol).
I just re-downloaded the manual & had a look...you are correct:
"Note: PC3200 maximum to 2 DIMMs only. Visit the Asus website for the latest qualified DDR400 module list."
It was only relevant if he had more than one stick of RAM, in hindsight I should have said it earlier, however I wanted to know what RAM he had to begin with. Besides, I'm still of the opinion that he should do a full CMOS reset, make the necessary changes to get the CPU running its default spec and take it from there.
Ha, hows that, I just read through a heap of my old posts here and I was able to eventually get my 2400+ to run with a 200MHz FSB. It was RAM voltage that held me back, 195MHz was the max I could reach before I had to up the RAM voltage to 2.8v. Its amazing what you forget over the years. Again this is all mute as the OP's board maxes out at 166MHz with three DIMMs installed.
Ok,so what do you recommend me to do?shood I pull out the 3rd Ram from the DIMM and leave only the 2Rams in 2 DIMMS and then reset my computer and BIOS to default, and start the overcloaking operations again? thx again! And another thing,where from my motherbord I can power up the RAM's volts??
Do you have CPU-Z? If not, before doing anything else, I suggest you download & run it, create an "HTML Dump", then copy/paste the contents so we can get a look at it. I'm particularly interested in your BIOS version & what speed your RAM's currently running at:
I'm running my CPU at that speed because is the only speed, that my computer works ok,because if I chanege my FSB to another frequancy the computer might freeze in windows or he dosen't whant to boot in windows, so that's why I'm trying to figurate out (whit your help)why the heck he dosen't whant to work fine whit outher frequencys.And I hope that we can make him work ok!:)
I put this picture, I hope is the right one that you ask me to put whit the memory tab!!
I'm still waiting for an answer or maybe a final answer:)...I succeded to make my CPU to work at 1800 Mhz,15x120/31....and his working normal, whitout freezing and he is botting all the time!! Maybe this is the only overcloak that is good for the CPU,or I don't know,I will wait a final answer from you guys!! thx again,for your time and for all the instructions that you gave it to me.
"Maybe this is the only overcloak that is good for the CPU,"
Problem is, this isn't even an overclock, the CPU should run at 15 x 133. There is a jumper labeled OVER_VOLT1 to the top left of the CPU socket, ensure this is set to 2-3 (Disabled). Try the following settings in the BIOS under the Advanced menu:
CPU Speed: Manual CPU Frequency Multiple: 15.0x CPU External Frequency (MHz): 133/33 Memory Frequency (MHz): 266 CPU Vcore Setting: Manual CPU Vcore: 1.65V CPU Level 1 Cache: Enable CPU Level 2 Cache: Enable
Then move down to Chip Configuration and configure the following options:
SDRAM Configuration: User Defined SDRAM CAS Latency: 2.5T SDRAM RAS to CAS Delay: 4T SDRAM RAS Precharge Delay: 4T SDRAM Active Precharge Delay: 7T SDRAM 1T Command Control: Auto SDRAM Bank Interleave: Auto Graphics Aperture Size: 128MB
If that doesn't get it going, there is something else causing you issues.
Ok, adz929..the settings that you gave it to me,works 90% but i have a little problem,when I put these settings in to the BIOS,and give the computer and EXIT AND SAVE CHANGES!.he reboots and he boots to windows but he FREZZE, once he frezze when he tryed to load the windows and one he frezzed before loading the windows, Now maybe I need to change something to stop frezzing!! I repeat the computer works ok whit these settings but he frezze when entering windows!!! Waiting for an answer!??!?pls
Set the machine up exactly as I've illustrated above, pop the disk in the drive and boot from it. Let it run for a good few hours and see if you get any errors, my bet is that you will.
Ok I will do that,but if I still get errors what is that mean?? It will mean that I need to stop trying to overcloak my CPU and let it the way he wants to be,at 1500MHz,because I don't have any change to make him work and be stable at 15x133??or what?? thx again
