hey people

i need to create a new config.sys because i need to add "duse.exe" so i can get a external haddrisk work in dos (the dos u get when u boot with the xp pro cd)
but it doesnt let me edit config.sys so im gonna create a new one and overwrite the current one
one problem tho, i dont know what should be in there and where to get this information
any help?

As far as I know booting from XP Pro CD doesn't load DOS but a streamlined XP as that system is based on NT kernel and has no DOS at all. This is the reason you can't edit config.sys.

Quite correct when you boot from the XP CD you are in NT COMMAND PROMPT, the same as NT4/W2K/W2K3/NT6.

This has absolutely no relationship to MS-DOS either standalone or Windos in W9x/ME.

On what drive/media were you planning on putting the config.sys? If you're booting from the XP cd then it'd have to be on the cd in order to load.

The only other thing I can think of is when booting from the cd at some point in the process it'll have you hit one of the F keys (F7?) if you need to load some external drivers. You could do that and point it to the drive containing duse and maybe it'd load. That's a big maybe though.

It is not a MAYBE it is a NOT FEASIBLE, any drivers would have to be for NT O/Ses and DUSE was developed for MS-DOS. This discussion needs to be curtailed and the OP needs to look for a Linux based Solution.

I don't see how his situation points to a linux solution or why this discussion needs to be 'curtailed'.

For all practical purposes, 'command prompt' is dos. Maybe not a pure dos since you can't boot straight to it. But that's because microsoft never made much of an effort to adapt dos to NT OS's. As near as I can tell all the internal commands are the same. Most of the external commands are gone. The few that remain look to be in the windows\prefetch folder. But at least some commands from 98 dos will work under XP command prompt. The only way to find out if duse.exe will work is to try it. Maybe he can add it to a bootdisk or cd--something like what can be found at bootdisk.com. I think it's going to depend on what he wants to accomplish once he gets to a prompt.

By the way, have you noticed that XP setup defaults to creating a config.sys and autoexec.bat? They're empty files but why are these decidedly dos-only files even there?

To DAVEINCAPS,

What you see when in comand line mode under XP (or Win 2K/NT/Vista) is actually the NT system console that just looks like DOS prompt but is driven by cmd.exe that interfaces the kernel via API not int 21h.

So in the core there is a NT kernel ruled by protection rings that can't allow DOS designed driver as DUSE.EXE.

The reason you find Config.sys and Autoexec.bat dummy files in XP root is due to dual boot compatibility issues, but they never performs anything in the booting process (Autoexec.bat may sometime be activated, but that is not the case).

DiC "The only function of the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files under Windows NT 4.0 is to provide a backward-compatible source for locating and setting DOS environment variables.
"

http://www.windowsitlibrary.com/Con...

I suggested Linux because he needs to access a USB Drive!

I wasn't talking about dos within strict barriers but rather as a general term for what it does. Its heritage may be different but XP command prompt functions like dos. Old msdos commands work just fine. I found several more in windows\system32. Even edlin is there and it hasn't been around since dos 5.

I know drivers are a different thing and already expressed doubts that duse would work. But the OP indicated he just wanted to access the drive. Bootdisks are put together with the hope the user will be able to perform basic repairs on a damaged system. Since he's not looking to do that, would duse work on a stripped down bootdisk/CD that contained only the absolute necessities? Again I have my doubts but it's not going to hurt to experiment.

For that matter you don't even need to boot XP for access. An NTFS4DOS bootdisk can load duse. Or if it's a fat32 drive, duse can be added to a 98 bootdisk.

There are dos options here. You just have to think outside the box.

DiC: Just admit you are waffling, the OP asked about DUSE in XP CMD.EXE. It is not feasible period end of discussion. Also as he has XP the XP Forum is the place to further discuss.

Waffling? I'm just trying to get him access to his external drive. If you weren't so busy being a forum nanny and pissing on anything that might work maybe you could be of some help. If duse doesn't work, so what? There's other things to try. I offered two dos solutions--kind of fitting for a dos forum, don't you think?

Speaking of that. Here's the bootdisk.com dos usb page:

http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm

Of the methods shown there #4 looks to be the best. I assume all of them will only work if the drive is fat32.

For NTFS drives there's DOS4NTFS and DOSNTFS. I've never used the second but they probably have similar capabilities. You should be able to start with the bootdisk.com config.sys and autoexec.bat examples and then add the necessary ntfs dos files. (edit) Looks like there's a third--NTFSDOS--that probably works the same.

For an XP-only solution you need an xp boot cd with external drive support. Googling that turns up a number of hits. This looks like it may be the best:

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

There's also something called 'acronis true image' that will do it but I believe you have to purchase the necessary software.

There's 'ultimate boot cd's' out there that should work as well as any number of home made disks. You just need to verify they have external drive support.

Samsung (aka franki??), I guess you can return to your true purpose here which seems to be to slap the hand of anyone who dares to post in the wrong forum.

... gentlemen PLZ

... try panasonic for dos(+) usb:

http://www.freedos.org/freedos/news...

... more here:
http://www.hiren.info/downloads/dos...

Grrrr
wat do I know?
... got brain freeze

Thanks everybody, I don't have much time to take a good look at this allthough I'm going to have a look at that PE builder or something, seems a bit confusing but let's see :)

If it's an NTFS drive the easiest way to access it would be through XP, either with something like PE builder or an XP bootdisk with external driver support. The dos NTFS access programs will work but the free/shareware versions often have limitations.

If it's fat32 you can still access it through XP but you'll also have the option to use a win98/dos 7.1 bootdisk that has external drive support as described on the bootdisk.com page.

I haven't checked the links Mavis007 gave so you might want to see what's there too.